Early in the morning last Saturday, a group of 12 Heritage Foundation interns (including myself) boarded a bus bound for Holly Knoll, the manor house of Robert Russa Moton.

Most of us had never heard of Moton before. This is unsurprising, as he was “the forgotten civil rights leader,” in the words of professor Brian McGovern of Rappahannock Community College.

We disembarked from the bus into a steady rain at Holly Knoll, and quickly hurried inside to hear from McGovern about the life and accomplishments of Moton.

Moton is arguably the most important African-American leader of the early 20th century. Both his parents had been slaves. His mother taught him to read, and he was determined to become an educator. He graduated from the Hampton Institute in 1890—a historically black college in Virginia—and was immediately offered a position there as a teacher. There, he served until 1920 when, upon the death of his friend and fellow civil rights activist Booker T. Washington, he was named principle of the Tuskegee Institute, another historically black university.

Moton was a staunch advocate for the strategy of accommodation in civil rights, believing that black Americans should show their white neighbors that they deserve to be treated equally through exemplary achievement and responsible lifestyles.

In 1922, President Warren Harding invited Moton to serve as the keynote speaker at the dedication of the Lincoln Memorial. Moton agreed, but the first draft of his speech was rejected. In it, he had written that if the oppression of black men and women in America continued, Lincoln’s memorial would be a “hollow mockery” of what he and many thousands of Americans had died for.

Many historians believe Moton’s speech at the dedication ceremony marked the clear birth of the civil rights movement of the 20th century.

After hearing about the life of Moton, we then received a brief tour of the preserved Moton estate. The house was striking to say the least. The three-story Georgian manor house overlooks the York River, and The Gloucester Institute has beautifully preserved it.

As fellow Heritage intern Nelson Park put it, “It’s a place people actually use, but it’s still historical and preserved. It is very respectful; a lot of thought and work went into this place. They do that by making it a useful place.”

The Gloucester Institute still uses Holly Knoll to host guest speakers and other important visitors. The small stone bench behind the house, which overlooks the river beneath the spreading oak tree, is where Martin Luther King Jr. wrote portions of his “I Have a Dream” speech, according to legend (although this cannot be historically confirmed).

The honorable Kay Coles James, president of The Heritage Foundation, founded The Gloucester Institute. This institutional connection is what sparked the idea of bringing a group from The Heritage Foundation’s Young Leaders Program and a group from The Gloucester Institute’s Emerging Leaders Program to Holly Knoll. Together, we had an open an honest conversation about race relations in America today.

The Emerging Leaders Program is designed to strengthen the communications skills of young, motivated Latino and African-American college students. It has produced business executives, entrepreneurs, educators, and authors. It is dedicated in part to the memory of Moton—especially his principles of hard work and responsibility as the best path forward to equality for African-Americans.

Winona Coles, executive director of The Gloucester Institute, welcomed the group and thanked us for our courage to come and be a part of this conversation. Coles told us to “walk away with a greater understanding of race and our collective achievements.” She further stated, “We have made progress and I hope we can have an open and honest discussion … appreciate the importance of it, and embrace a willingness to share the experience with others.”

Our combined group received a talk from Carl Ellis, who serves as the provost’s professor of theology and culture and assistant to the chancellor at Reformed Theology Seminar. Ellis is also a board member of The Gloucester Institute. He is the author of several influential books from a Christian perspective on the systemic disadvantages faced by black Americans today. He quoted Zechariah 4:10: “Do not despise small beginnings.”

The day’s main event came at lunch. Heritage and Gloucester students were split into groups of six or seven, and dispersed into different rooms throughout Holly Knoll. Facilitated by both Heritage and Gloucester staff, the groups entered into dialogue about problems faced by disadvantaged groups in America. All who participated expressed positive feedback.

The small group conversations lasted about an hour before we gathered together into one large group to share what we had discussed. Students shared that they were able to agree that African-Americans face significant challenges compared to their white peers, and that young Americans have a responsibility to make changes to the systems they deem to be unjust.

The students also highlighted how much easier it was to have a conversation with someone with whom they may disagree when sitting directly across the table from them. This was instructive. If any change is to be made in our nation, if any healing is to be brought to the racial divisions in America, we must understand each other’s perspectives and experiences within the same America.

When asked if they would be interested in meeting again for an entire day or even for a weekend to discuss potential policy solutions and goals, the students from both groups were enthusiastically in favor.

The gathering was productive, even if uncomfortable at times. The mood was summed up well by one of the Gloucester-affiliated students, Briana Hudson: “People want to be secure and comfortable. We need to break out of that.”

There is no doubt that these conversations were not easy, but they expanded the worldviews and understandings of all those who attended. If American culture is ever to emerge from its current division, we must be willing to confront difference, accept disagreement, and above all, listen.

We must do this by living out the shared vision of both The Gloucester Institute and The Heritage Foundation. As Moton advocated, we must empower young people to become leaders and enact positive change in their communities. Young Leaders Program Director Helena Richardson said, “I believe there is a leader in every community.” Moton could not have agreed more.

Richardson added: “You cannot visit Holly Knoll without leaving with a sense of awe and respect for the historical civil rights battles and dialogue in our country. More importantly, seeing young students from The Heritage Foundation and The Gloucester Institute engage in candid and thoughtful discussion about human dignity is a reminder that robust civil discourse is possible now as it was then.”

Within the conservative movement and beyond, as long as our young and emerging leaders can sit down and talk with one another, there is still hope for racial cooperation and unity in our country. The conversation between our groups lasted only a few hours, but everyone agreed that it was a powerful experience that gave them hope for the future.